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Reviewing the Market for Music · Friday November 21, 2008 by Crosbie Fitch

  • Musicians can sell or give away music.
  • Producers of copies can sell or give away copies.

The market for digital copies in a given work rapidly saturates (proportional to its popularity, sometimes within a day or less), therefore the market for the mass production of digital copies is as dead as Monty Python’s parrot. If you’re a producer of digital copies I don’t see a particularly rosy future. There may be a market niche for a producer of vinyl LP copies, but only while the nostalgia lasts.

However, the market for music is looking very good for music lovers because of how much easier it is for musicians to enter the marketplace and promote their music.

Control over distribution channels is dissipating and the selection of musicians for our consideration is no longer in the hands of a few record labels, via their retail and broadcast channels.

With more musicians and music lovers in the marketplace, there may well be more money available, but then this may be spread more thinly given so many more musicians. This is good for cultural diversity, but not so good if a few good musicians were hoping to corner the market and live in luxury.

Our key tasks in these times are:

  1. Enabling musicians to sell their music to their audience (their market), whether live performances or studio recordings.
  2. Restoring a free market in music by ending the highly unethical cultural constraint applying to all artists and their audiences, by abolishing the anachronistic and now ineffective monopoly of copyright.

We should be able to get at least one of those sorted before breakfast, eh?

Material Copies Are Sometimes Valuable · Wednesday November 12, 2008 by Crosbie Fitch

I’m amused by Mike Masnick’s astute observation in Newspapers Are Souvenirs that a blip in sales of newspapers around Barack Obama’s presidential election is not necessarily indicative of a preference for the paper and ink based medium during important events – it could be indicative of an abnormally high value placed on permanent and authentic copies produced by a news vendor, e.g. for souvenir, archive, memorabilia, or collectability value.

This is just one of those peculiar circumstances in which a newspaper is valued for being a copy of the news, rather than for being a convenient means of obtaining the news (and commissioning it).

So, as Mike suggests, now is not the time to be buying up old printing presses for an apparently growing market for paper copies of news.

It still seems as if the future is to sell the news, and then without the anachronistic monopoly of copyright, enjoy a free market in printed copies for whatever price the market will bear.

As an early example of this we have such novelties as WikiTravel books being published (uncontrained by copyright). The online information may be copied without charge, so the value of a book printed from it must be wholly due to it being a material book, and thus its value attributable entirely to its printer – not its authors1.

One of the key requirements for business success concerning intellectual works (without monopoly) is working out whether you’re selling the copy or the intellectual work.

With the monopoly of copyright, they’re notionally bound together. That’s why it’s so difficult for people who’ve grown up with the equivalence of ‘copy=work’ to figure out what the flip I’m talking about when I try and explain that they’re as different as a map from the landthe copy is not the work.

If one doesn’t understand Magritte’s “Ceci n’est pas une pipe” then there’s a long way to go.

Ceci n'est pas une pipe

Given copyright is ineffective today (and as unethical as ever) it’s now vital to be able to distinguish between them – the work and the copy.

Once the producer of the intellectual work has exchanged the value of their labour for whatever the market can bear, that’s the end of the matter. Authorship is not entitlement to royalty (this is a prerogative of kings). Moreover, the author also remains unentitled to the value of any material or intellectual work other people add to it or incorporate it into.

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1 I’m talking about the value of the book, the material copy that is the book. The value of the intellectual work within the book is of course entirely attributable to its authors – and they have already exchanged the value of their labour. If you buy a WikiTravel book you are paying its printer – not its authors. If you want to pay its authors for their intellectual work you should pay them.

Tel said 5894 days ago :

I think you are going to have trouble convincing the software industry of the distinction between the work and the copy.

Increasingly, creative media work is do directly to digital so I’m sorry to tell you but the work IS the copy. My electrons and your electrons are exactly the same.

You could argue that the real work done is creating that piece of software or media in the first place, not the item that was thus created. Get’s a bit tricky, people have a mental preference for tangible goods.

The Right to File-Share · Friday November 07, 2008 by Crosbie Fitch

I thought this fairly straightforward exchange on Techdirt put things fairly succinctly:

Anon:

Why should consumers have rights regarding unauthorized file sharing?

CF:

Ahem, people already have the right to liberty (freedom of speech, etc.).

In 1710 (UK) and 1790 (US) the privilege of copyright was created to partially suspend this liberty, specifically the right for members of the public to make copies or derivatives of books that they had purchased. This ‘right to copy’ was then granted to publishers – hence the name ‘copyright’.

So, file-sharers are actually enjoying their natural rights.

Ideally those rights are no longer suspended for the benefit of publishers, but are fully restored to the public, by abolishing copyright.

Anon:

Copyright isn’t bad, in and of itself. The horrible way its been twisted and extended since its initial implementation.. is whats bad. Lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater here. I’m all for people being paid for work, I’m not for the idea of lifetime residuals on a piece of work and complete show stopping powers for derivative work. If people want to sign their rights away and open it up to the public without personal gain, well… thats what CC, GNU, and BSD licenses are for.

CF:

People aren’t signing their rights away, they’re restoring the public’s rights back to them (by neutralising their privilege of copyright to published works and derivatives).

It is actually impossible to sign one’s rights away – this is what is meant by inalienable.

It takes the power of a government to grant privileges that supersede individual rights.

I too am all for people being paid for their work. What I’m not at all for is the people’s liberty being suspended for publishers’ commercial exploitation.

The Calling of Cultural Liberty · Thursday November 06, 2008 by Crosbie Fitch

It’s good to see Rob Myers observe that freedom is for people – not inanimate objects, not intellectual works, nor the culture formed from them.

It is the human being that is to be free, not their works.

We can chain our books to the shelves of our libraries without compunction for their lack of liberty, but we should not manacle the hands of those we sell them to lest they place what is now rightfully their property in a photocopier.

Rob also enumerates other terms people use and abuse when describing the epiphenomena of cultural liberty, e.g. “Commons”, “Gift Economy”, “Quid Pro Quo”, etc.

I’d suggest that ‘Freedom’ can also be abused as a term (not least ‘free’).

It is not absolute freedom that is the ideal to be pursued, but freedom ethically constrained.

Otherwise, if ‘freedom’ is to be misconstrued as an inherently noble objective, we have such aspirations as “the freedom to choose how my work can be used, and what copyright license I give” and “the freedom to inspect or sequester source code from the author’s premises”.

‘Freedom’ is not a trump card to play when seeking to violate another’s right. It alleges an unethical constraint when asserting one’s rightful liberty against its suspension by the privilege of another.

We may express a desire to have the freedom to park our car on our neighbour’s drive, but the mere citing of an aspiration of ‘freedom’ cannot invoke a right, as if that invocation could then trump our neighbour’s natural right to privacy.

Freedom is a lack of constraint. It is neither intrinsically noble nor inherently ethical.

Ethical freedom is a lack of unethical constraint, and is more succinctly termed ‘liberty’.

We do not have a right to freedom. We have a right to liberty – freedom constrained only by the equal rights of others.

Rob Myers said 5923 days ago :

I have been using “freedom” and “liberty” as synonyms despite coming at this via Mill and Berlin. I agree that the word “freedom” can be misused.

“Liberty” has problems as well, though. Libertarians of the Ayn Rayn variety for example.

;-)

Crosbie Fitch said 5923 days ago :

I’d see a pursuit of ‘freedom’ as closer to ‘libertinism’ than a pursuit of liberty as libertarianism, but these words do get stretched a tad.

Given Ayn Rand supported patents and copyright I’d say she was a utilitarian in a libertarian’s clothing.

I’m not saying ‘liberty’ is free of abuse, but it seems a better term than ‘freedom’ if needing to refer to liberty as understood by natural rights libertarianism.

Saving on A&R · Thursday November 06, 2008 by Crosbie Fitch

Record labels are finding A&R so expensive these days that they are having to save money by asking the artists to come to them – and encouraging them to do so by portraying it as competition with a worthwhile prize.

An example of such a competition is Orange Unsigned Act.

What’s the prize for the best act?

3.6.3.The prize for the winning Artist shall be an artist recording agreement accompanied by a promotional campaign by Sony Ericsson / Orange.

Wow! Instead of any monetary award, the band gets the option to sign away their future output and artistic freedom to a record label, and that’s not all – if they sign, they get an advance (aka an interest free loan).

If the winning artist is inclined to go for what appears to be a big money prize, they should be aware that if they don’t sustain the popular appeal (who needs talent?) they appeared to have and fail to encourage enough of their fans to buy copies of their works retailed by the label (instead of downloading them from file-sharing sites), they’ll end up having to repay all of that advance and more back to the label.

Meanwhile all those ‘runner up’ unsigned acts, still record label virgins (having obtained all their knowledge of the recording industry from books about how it worked so well for great bands of the sixties and seventies), will try harder next year (apart from those invited to sign anyway – a day after the competition closes).

Things have changed.

Recommended reading list for unsigned acts:

It may be fine to win the prize for the best unsigned act for its promotional benefit, but whatever you do DON’T SIGN! Remain unsigned and sell your music directly to your audience. Ask yourself why you need a very expensive label to pay radio stations to play your music and to produce millions of CDs for sale in shops. Leave promotion and distribution to your audience – even the labels recognise that a musician’s audience is their biggest competitor – that’s why they keep on prosecuting it for infringing upon their monopoly.

Selling Music Recordings · Wednesday November 05, 2008 by Crosbie Fitch

Perhaps unsurprisingly, when I suggest to a musician that they should sell their music rather than copies of it, they probably think I may as well be suggesting they crack the pointed end of their eggs rather than the blunt end, as if either suggestion might just as effectively improve their life.

It is not obvious to me how to succinctly explain the difference between selling music and selling copies. This is related to the psychological disorder of copy-blindness. If you have it, you’ll find it very difficult grokking the difference. If you don’t have it, you’ll find it difficult understanding how anyone can’t grok the difference.

Following on from this, is the difference in value between music and copies of it, and how the value of copies (unlike music) has changed relatively recently. Therefore, because the value of copies has diminished, it seems nearly everyone concludes that the value of music has diminished. It hasn’t.

There is actually a colossal difference between music and copies. And it’s not sophistry.

Every man and his dog can make copies of great music for next to nothing – irrespective of the publisher’s traditional monopoly we call copyright. So of course, copies aren’t worth much at all these days.

Nevertheless, very few people can make great music, regardless of whether it costs them much to produce and record. Consequently, music remains just as valuable as ever, although it’s still very much in the ear of the beholder as to which of it is great and which of it isn’t. Thus few people want to pay 99p a time to audition a hundred songs before they find something they like. However, they’ll be very happy to persuade the musicians they do like to produce more great music, perhaps at a tenner a time.

So music remains valuable, whereas copies do not – especially digital copies. This is unfortunate for manufacturers of copies (publishers), but not for musicians (except those still indentured to publishers or record labels). Fortunately, musicians have never had to sell copies, and they don’t need to start.

There are two ways musicians have traditionally made money from their music: performing it before an audience, and recording it for a publisher of copies (aka a record label).

Unfortunately, publishers have organised their business on the large mark-ups they can obtain given a monopoly on the production and distribution of copies. A monopoly that was over-generously provided by not particularly scrupulous governments a couple of centuries or so ago.

As the tide of nature comes racing back to restore the public’s cultural liberty, we see the publishers’ privilege of copyright become less respected, its monopoly almost completely ineffective. Nature never did imbue individuals with the power to control what other people do with the material and intellectual works they give or sell to them. To be in receipt of a grant of such power, a legislated suspension of the public’s liberty, is neither an entitlement to respect, nor a way of earning it. When we erect sandcastles on nature’s beach, we cannot be too despondent when nature washes them away.

Anyway, now that the record labels are disappearing, musicians can no longer sell their music to them, and so are wondering who to sell their recordings to and how. Their audience is the obvious answer. However, whilst they’re quite used to selling their live performances to their audiences, selling recordings to them is not something they’ve ever done before. So, the question of ‘How?’ remains unanswered.

What we have today is the sorry sight of musicians who don’t know the answer, going through the motions of being their own record label and attempting to sell copies where their labels cannot.

The thing is, if labels needed a monopoly to sell copies, and considerable wealth to enforce it, then it’s inescapable to conclude that a self-publishing artist is going to have even more difficulty relying upon a monopoly – despite having far less overhead than a label. Moreover, given that a musician’s audience can make their own copies, one must deduce that if they do appear to be purchasing copies from musicians, that this is either convenience, indoctrination or patronage at work.

So, if a musician is to sell recordings of their music to their audience, instead of copies, then how do they do it?

We have the artist and their recording on one side of the table, and the audience and their money on the other.

All we need is an exchange. Art for money, money for art.

Well, if the artist can sell a live performance to an audience of ten thousand fans, why can’t they sell a studio recording to the same audience?

Admittedly, ten thousand fans don’t really want to turn up at a large stadium, hand their tickets in, and then file back out again despite knowing they’ve just paid for a studio recording – even if they are handed a free copy of it on their way out. It would seem there’s a far more efficient way of doing it online…

Why not sell tickets to your audience online, but tell them that this is for a recording rather than a performance? What’s more, you can tell them that they don’t need to come to the stadium. Instead they can stay at home, and a free copy of the recording (copyleft and in FLAC format) will be e-mailed to them (or at least a link to where it can be downloaded via BitTorrent).

Just as with a concert, you’ll refund everyone’s money if the recording doesn’t go ahead, perhaps because not enough tickets were sold.

In fact, this approach also works for live online performances. You can sell tickets, and then (if there’s a big enough audience) use RawFlow to broadcast yourself live.

You can’t sell people what they already have, or can make themselves.

So, don’t try to sell copies of your music to your audience, sell your music to them instead.

If your audience wants to see and hear you play live they’ll buy tickets to your concerts (at stadiums or online). If your audience wants to have your new music recordings, they’ll buy tickets to your studio sessions (even if they’ve already happened).

As the market for copies ends, the market for music evolves.

drew Roberts said 5919 days ago :

Indeed, and the swarm of angels folks have a similar idea for a movie with added fan / supporter involvement.

They do not choose the Free and copyleft model which I think is a shame and I look forward to someone else trying that.

all the best,

drew

New Music Strategies · Monday November 03, 2008 by Crosbie Fitch

I recommend Andrew Dubber’s blog New Music Strategies. This does indeed look like a promising blog for those interested in fresh approaches for online music business.

For an example of the good calibre and insight of the numerous commentors it has, check out a recent post Here’s a question nobody ever asks – this had 83 comments last time I looked.

Andrew Dubber is an Arts and Humanities Research Council Knowledge Transfer Fellow in Online Music and Radio Innovation and a Senior Lecturer in the Music Industries at Birmingham City University, UK. More…

Residual Expectations of Control · Tuesday October 28, 2008 by Crosbie Fitch

The privilege of copyright has been with us for so long (since 1710) that we have come to expect its apparent ability to satisfy our desire to control what other people do with our published work.

Even Creative Commons perpetuates this notion, reassuring us mere authors (as opposed to our corporate publishing agents) that it is at our discretion whether we oblige attribution, collect royalties on commercial use, or govern how other artists may incorporate our art into theirs.

Unfortunately, this reframing of copyright as authorial prerogative simply transfers the mantle of corruption from baron publisher to king author.

The desire for such power may well be a human survival instinct, and commercially valuable if obtained, but in a civilised and egalitarian society power can’t simply be assumed, we need to know where it comes from. Is it inherent (a natural right) or is it unethically extracted from others (a privilege at the expense of others’ rights)?

  1. What power do we actually have by nature as human beings?
  2. Should we collectively invest power in our government to grant additional, superhuman power back to ourselves (some or all of us) in the form of mercantile privilege?
  3. Even if not ethical, is the grant of that superhuman power by the state socially beneficial?

By nature, we can protect our lives and private domains, in concert we can defend the truth, and wilfully we can defend our liberty in all other respects against unnatural constraint.

We grant power to the state in order to protect our rights and those that derive from them.

We do not grant power to the state to grant privileges and boons to those it favours or would be favoured by.

Thus in terms of our intellectual works we should grant the state power to protect our exclusive rights, but we should not grant the state power to privilege our publishers (let alone authors) with reproduction monopolies over published works (however much some of us might hope to indirectly benefit from such a commercially lucrative grant).

The point of this post is to observe that even if one recognises that one has no natural ability to control what someone else does with the art that one has given them, and appreciates that the mercantile privilege of copyright should be abolished, one still retains a few niggling reservations that perhaps there may be some esoteric uses, some obscure situations, in which the power of the state should be brought to bear – to enable the artist to control certain uses in certain situations.

I’m interested to know what these certain uses and situations are.

In what circumstances would an artist sympathetic to cultural freedom wish to retain (even the illusion of) control over the use of their work, e.g. when posting their photos on the web?

Remember:

  1. If it’s an unattributed use, then there’s no hope of control – even publishing cartels are finding it tricky prosecuting the public at large.
  2. If it’s a self-publishing individual user willing to risk prosecution of copyright infringement (with no prospect of a ‘fair use/dealing’ defense), then the self-publishing artist must prepare a significant litigation budget.
  3. If it’s a commercial publisher committing the infringement, then the self-publishing artist must be extremely wealthy, or able to obtain assistance from another publisher or comparable sponsor.

Aside from the privilege of being able to prohibit copies, what rights could potentially constrain use?

  • Life: Your work cannot, or be used to, incite violence or hatred of individuals or a class.
  • Privacy: Your work should not be used, reproduced, or distributed if it has been stolen (removed/communicated from private premises without permission). Your work should not violate the privacy of its subjects.
  • Truth: The artist, their art and any subjects should not be misrepresented, nor falsely implicated, where this impairs the truth.

For example, manipulating a photo to misrepresent a subject as smoking a joint may be fine if overt parody or satire, but not if intended to deceive.

However, when involving taboos of sex or religion things can become a little more controversial.

Superimposing one subject’s head from one photo onto another’s naked body from another photo as a prurient amusement, may be reprehensible, disrepectful, offensive to the subject and their advocates, and bring disrepute to any publishers, but whether it violates anyone’s rights is likely to be highly dependent on the specific work.

Could it incite hatred of the subject or violence against them? Does it violate their privacy by induction? Does it impair the truth by subliminally objectifying the subject in the mind of the viewer?

Things can get tricky when you move from a clear and false implication to a highly viewer subjective, perception of insinuation.

This is why libel laws are highly questionable from a natural rights perspective.

Libel
2 a: a written or oral defamatory statement or representation that conveys an unjustly unfavorable impression b (1): a statement or representation published without just cause and tending to expose another to public contempt (2): defamation of a person by written or representational means (3): the publication of blasphemous, treasonable, seditious, or obscene writings or pictures

Unless it incites violence, violates privacy, or impairs the truth, I understand the concept of ‘freedom of speech’ (and suppose it should be commonly understood) to be speech legally unconstrained by considerations of reputation, obscenity, or other mental offense or anguish to persons or deities.

Fundamentally, the issue is not whether causing unnecessary offense or harm to someone’s reputation is despicable and reprehensible, but whether one has a natural right against it. I don’t know of any evidence that one does. One has no natural power to require that one’s peers discuss oneself only in a positive light and refrain from belittling or derogatory insinuation. One has to rely on opprobrium against unfounded criticism, contempt, and promotion thereof.

I’d be interested if you can give examples of situations or uses that artists should self-evidently retain control over, where those examples don’t involve a violation of the aformentioned rights (life/privacy/truth), nor aren’t simply pursuit of commercial advantage from reproduction monopoly.

The Fickle and Fleeting Freedom of a Creative Commons License · Friday October 24, 2008 by Crosbie Fitch

Scott Carpenter has noticed that a Creative Commons license is worth less than the paper it could have been printed on. Indeed, if it had been printed on paper, it might have been worth keeping.

In Free Culture ‘Take Backsies’ on Flickr Scott tells of how a photographer has subsequently removed the CC licenses applying to his photos on Flickr and reverted to undiluted copyright.

Having promoted the photographer in exchange for the liberty apparently provided by his CC license, Scott no doubt has a bad taste in his mouth now that his liberty has apparently been withdrawn – despite theoretically remaining irrevocable.

This is another reason why copyright is unsuited to digital work. You don’t have a piece of paper on which the license is printed (something that was once difficult to counterfeit).

In terms of online publications, one’s only hope in demonstrating that a liberal license was ever provided is the Internet Archive.

Although, copyright licenses are just as ridiculous as copyright in their application to digital works, they do serve as a form of ward against those who still believe copyright is sensibly applied to them. Thus the GPL needs no power against those who don’t believe in copyright, only against those who do.

Really, when championing free culture, the artist has to make a public statement rejecting copyright. A standard license is not something that can really be ‘attached’ to digital works, and it doesn’t hold much weight if the artist is fickle.

Admittedly, avowals against copyright can be implicitly expressed to some degree by wholly neutralising licenses such as the GPL, but then these are effectively recognised and recorded by a large number of deriving coders.

This is why those in the free culture movement (unlike free software) could never really form a consensus endorsement of a license. The manumission of one’s audience cannot be sufficiently performed by permissive licensing (especially given the pollution of CC’s pix’n‘mix). It needs a public statement rejecting the manacles of copyright that bind them. The artist must tell their audience emphatically that they are, and will always be, free.

Of course, copyleft licenses can still be additionally applied to non-s/w works (such as photos), but then with less reuse, there’s less establishment of their copyleft status.

What you’re left with as assurance is the risked reputation of the self-publishing artist.

As we have seen, the artist can piss about with CC licenses, tweaking the terms, even reverting back to full copyright, and not really worry about this fickle behaviour having much affect on their reputation.

This is all in line with Lawrence Lessig’s misguided belief that copyright can and should be wielded by the author as a means of authorial control rather than be reserved for the publishers it was originally intended for.

This is why an artist’s avowal is far more significant than a CC license, and indispensible for those cultural works that may see little reuse.

It gives us a much bigger clue in determining which kind of artist they are:

  1. The Lessigite artist who believes they should control what people do with their published work, and the uses to which it may be put. The sort of artist who one day may feel generous in giving their audience a little more liberty, and another day less, and considers this their authorial prerogative. If you can copy their work, it’s because they’ve permitted you to, not because you have any right to.
  2. The libertarian artist who believes that no-one, especially themselves, should control what other people do with their published work, and who will not change their mind. Nevertheless, this artist still expects honour and integrity among their audience, for themselves and their work to be truthfully represented, as they truthfully represent those artists and works they build upon.

Being the latter, this is why on my blog I put my reputation on the line. I don’t just piss about with a CC license.

“I will not accept the enslavement of my fellow man, nor any imposition upon his liberty, as reward for the publication of my art”

That means I reject copyright, and will not assert it except as a means to prevent anyone else asserting it, e.g. via copyleft licenses such as the GPL.

Having a single published statement of my rejection of copyright (its grant to me of the public’s suspended cultural liberty) then backs up any copyleft licenses I might provide for those who find them useful.

Scott Carpenter said 5938 days ago :

Hi, Crosbie — thanks for the pointer and for expanding on the discussion. I appreciate your steady support of true digital freedom.

drew Roberts said 5935 days ago :

I think I am fairly close to where I think you are (well… we shall see)

I will use the tools that copyright law gives me to bring about a better situation.

I prefer Free and copyleft licenses for my artistic works in general.

I have some internally unresolved reservations when it comes to my image (photo) and especially that of my child.

I also want this freedom for non-digital works, I am not sure where you stand on that bit.

I do think that BY-SA is too weak for photographs and illustrations and am considering using just BY for at least some of them.

I am also testing the BY waters for some of my lyrics although I am way more leery with lyrics than with photos.

And again, you captcha just does not display properly here.

all the best,

drew

zotz.kompoz.com

Scott Carpenter said 5934 days ago :

I have similar concerns about family pictures, and tend to use BY-ND for those, although that does rely on copyright remaining a more intrusive mechanism. (And not that I think it does all that much for me, but I still use it.) I wouldn’t miss it much in a copyright free world.

What do you mean when you say BY-SA is too weak for photos?

Crosbie Fitch said 5934 days ago :

Drew, Scott, I’ll shortly be publishing another blog article on the subject of ‘reservations’ and ‘concerns’.

As for non-digital works, copyright is still unethical. The only difference is that copyright at least remains marginally effective in the material domain. Unlike file-sharers, mass copyright infringers (CD copiers) tend to have enough inertia and funds that they can be caught and/or dissuaded from entering the market place. Then you start needing things like WIPO to assert copyright monopolies in the far reaches of outer Mongolia.

Creative Commons ‘Share Alike’ may not be quite as copyleft as it could have been, but it is the most liberty propagating license they have.

The BY bit is rather misguided. Of course everyone wants to be given credit, to have their name in bright lights or even the small print, but this is a matter of respect, not something extracted from people on threat of prosecution. “But it’s such a little thing! Surely, it’s the least obligation I can expect from those who use my work?” Well, if it’s such a little thing, then it should easily be given as an honourable mark of respect, rather than dishonourably forced from someone via legal compulsion. It’s like disabling a DVD player’s remote control whilst copyright ‘educationals’ or warnings are shown. Taking small liberties from your audience to force their respect makes them respect you less, not more.

It is strange that you find CC-BY stronger than CC-BY-SA (or the latter too weak). The SA gives your audience (and you) more liberty, the lack of it, less.

Incidentally Drew, check out the response from Fred Benenson (Culture Program Associate at Creative Commons), and let me know if the ReCaptcha thing displays properly on that page beneath their comment form. What browser are you using?

Of course one can utilise digital signatures to corroborate works with licenses, and can provide online facilities to assist licensors and licensees in this regard, however that such arcane steps have to be taken to reassure punters that their license (partially restoring their rightful liberty) is bonafide and permanent is a big clue that Creative Commons is not the way of the future. It’s DRM again, but from the other direction. Instead of asserting that certain liberties cannot be taken with a specific copy by unauthorised persons, it asserts that certain liberties can be taken with a specific copy by authorised persons.

Tomorrow, when you take your memory stick into a shop for an enlargement of your wedding photo, they’ll demand to see (in the jpeg’s metadata) your digitally signed CC-BY-SA license certifying your authorisation to produce printed copies (which must of course have the original photographer’s details printed upon them – along with a derivative CC license).

What a fricking mess.

drew Roberts said 5932 days ago :

“It is strange that you find CC-BY stronger than CC-BY-SA”

That is not it. I find BY-SA stronger than BY but for photos, I think the extra strenght is not enough whereas it is much better when it comes to music.

Therefore, the extra baggage of a copyleft license may not be worth it in the case of photos.

For instance, if you use a BY-SA piece of music in a video or movie, you have to make the video or movie BY-SA or negotiate another deal. But, if you use a BY-SA photo in a magazine article, the article nor the magazine need to be BY-SA. (According to thinking on the cc lists.)

Does this make any sense to you?

I will try to comment more later when I have a bit more time.

drew

Crosbie Fitch said 5932 days ago :

Drew, I think you’re referring to the non-copyleft back-door in Share-Alike, i.e. that the parts of a combined works that don’t derive from the included CC-SA work don’t also need to be Share-Alike. In other words, a combined work can be copyrighted without license, as long as CC-SA licenses are still provided for its CC-SA components.

CC-SA isn’t as copyleft as the GPL, but it’s the closest to it that CC have. This is because CC wasn’t based upon a libertarian philosophy (as the GPL), but on an authorial philosophy. Lessig wanted to make it convenient for authors to modulate copyright, to select the liberties they fancied restoring to members of their audience, not to design a copyright neutralising license for the benefit of the public (including the author).

Perhaps you could explain what precisely you mean by ‘stronger’ or ‘weaker’? CC-BY-SA appears to me to grant the public more liberty than CC-BY – for all art forms. In terms of combined works, neither license affects the copyright of the combined work.

drew Roberts said 5932 days ago :

OK,

for instance in this license:

creativecommons.org/…

Under 1.b. we find:

“For the avoidance of doubt, where the Work is a musical composition or sound recording, the synchronization of the Work in timed-relation with a moving image (“synching”) will be considered a Derivative Work for the purpose of this License.”

So they put in some extra “strength” for the case of audio being used in video.

I have a lot of posts on this weakness in the mailing list archives over at cc.

I suggest one solution is to require the same license for any other work that gets a copyright and includes a BY-SA work. Compilations that don’t warrant copyright protection would not raise this requirement.

What I am saying is not that BY-SA is not always stronger than BY, it is. What I am saying is that BY-SA is stronger for some types of works than it is for others. AND, in some cases, BY and BY-SA MAY be close enough to make the extra protection of BY-SA not worth it in the face of the extra “costs” a copyleft license imposes.

all the best,

drew

Crosbie Fitch said 5932 days ago :

So they put in some extra “strength” for the case of audio being used in video.

I’m doubtful that ‘strength’ is the best term here, if you mean ‘more copyleft’.

The license arbitrarily disambiguates between a derivative work and a combined work, given some might consider the resultant work combined ‘audio+video’, and some a derivative ‘movie’.

The CC-BY no doubt makes no provision for either interpretation given it mandates no restoration of liberty to derivative works.

I suggest one solution is to require the same license for any other work that gets a copyright and includes a BY-SA work.

You have the audacity to suggest that CC create a proper copyleft license? Wash your mouth out with soap!

What I am saying is not that BY-SA is not always stronger than BY, it is. What I am saying is that BY-SA is stronger for some types of works than it is for others. AND, in some cases, BY and BY-SA MAY be close enough to make the extra protection of BY-SA not worth it in the face of the extra “costs” a copyleft license imposes.

That is the explanation I was after. Thanks. :)

This brings me back to my point that licensing is missing the wood for the trees. The critical issue is that the artist reassure their audience that they won’t prosecute them for enjoying their natural cultural liberty (only in extremis for denying such liberty to others), and that the licenses they provide are simply a further assurance and enablement of this manumission.

Commandments on Creation and Copying · Sunday October 12, 2008 by Crosbie Fitch

I was involved in a wee communication with God the other day, and He told me that actually I had it all wrong, that copyright and patent were wholly justified, had always had His holy blessing, and were pretty much in perfect accord with His almighty will. In fact, He said, He did have a couple of additional commandments that He hadn’t considered Moses would have been quite ready for at the time, but that He would happily pass on to me to convey to the world via my blog – noting that I must of course henceforth obey or face eternal damnation.

As you might expect, He still communicates via an archaic teletype in ‘all caps’, but here are His two commandments that relate to our holy inspiration for patent and copyright:

XI. THOU SHALT MARVEL AT ALL MY CREATION AND IN MY LIKENESS THOU TOO SHALT CREATETHY DESIGN SHALL BE JOINED TO MINE AND ALL UPON EARTH THAT IS MADE IN ITS FORM SHALL BE SUBJECT TO THY WILL, FOR AS LONG AS THEE SHALL LIVE.

XII. THOU SHALT SCRIBE AND SHARE MY WORD, YET THOU MUST NOT SCRIBE, NOR SHARE AMONG A GATHERING, THE WORD OR GRAVING OF THY NEIGHBOUR WITHOUT HIS LEAVE, WHILST HIS BLOOD LAST.

So, there we have it. There are consequently quite a few ramifications for patent and copyright legislation.

Patent is thus supposed to last for the lifetime of the inventor, and is ‘first to invent’, not ‘first to file’. Moreover, it only applies to mortal creations, not the works of God, so at least DNA can’t be patented any more.

As for copyright’s term. This therefore endures until the author’s last remaining descendant dies (which could be a pretty long time, if not immeasurable). On the plus side, at least copyright is not permitted to apply to The Bible.

I did want to explore these ramifications with God a little further and query their feasibility, but unfortunately in a moment of white noise from a passing angel the carrier was lost…

 

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